. >> and what about the loss, less than just two days ago of nelson mandela, do you reflect on that? >> one of the great statesman of the 20th century, right there along gandhi and churchill and others. he was a man of peace. he was a man of reconciliation. the lessons we learned from mandela would be, first of all, leaders absorb the pain. this is an important point. when you're in a conflict and you hit me, then i hit you. you hit me and i hit you and pretty soon we're both blind, eye for an eye, that old saying. at some point in a crisis, one side has to say, okay, you got the last shot. i'm not going to get even. when mandela was elected, he could have gotten even. he now had the power. he could have retaliated. he could have gotten revenge. he could have done all kinds of the things to the people who did him evil, all those years he was in prison, things like that. but he didn't. and great leaders absorb the pain. and they stop fixing the blame and start fixing the problem. that's an important thing. >> you look great. >> thanks. i'm working on it. i actually looked greater befo